Water injection kit for the msp

[ryoga28]

I've always wondered if it would benefit the msp in anyway. Too bad there isn't a pretuned system available.

[Freshrubber]

water injectioin... never heard of it. if its injected into the motor its def not good. gimme some info

[zenprotege]

Hell yea it's injected into the engine. Jet engines have been using this technology for a while now. The High specific heat of water cools the combustion chamber like none other. They combine the 'water' with an alcohol (typically methenol) to decrease the high surface tension of water so to disperse it more throughly. In short, it decreases combustion chamber temps allowing for higher boost levels to be run because of the reduced chances of any pre-ignition tradgedy...think of it as being similar to using race gas, same concept for the most part

[Freshrubber]

all i can think of is my motor getting hydrolocked if someone did this.

[zenprotege]

The water/methenol mix is sprayed into the engine just as a dry nitrous system would be. It's not a ton of water, it's a mist. On another note, mechanics have used dripping water into an engine as a means of cleaning the combustion chamber. Drip a few drops of water into the engine and it will blast carbon buildup off the tops of pistons, valves and such. I think that was more of a old-school trick though...I know suby and srt 4 guys use water injection, maybe one of thier forums would lend more insight.

[Freshrubber]

ya maybee if it was a mix but who knows

[Slowp0ke]

on the tibby forums they use alcy injection with there stage 3 i beleive supercharger kits (alpine)

[stevEvo8]

-Water is fine to inject.
-Water/Meth Mix is fine to inject.
-Meth is fine to inject.
-Propane is fine to inject.

These have all been done and all have a benefit over the other. You just have to make sure you use the right parts and tuning for the type of injection that you are using.

Its not like you are dumping a gallon on water in the motor.

[Cullen]

tuning is the key. FYI StevEVO, I spoke with Julio

[stevEvo8]

tuning is the key. FYI StevEVO, I spoke with Julio

Do you mean?

Julio from tampa.

or
Vijay or jose from orlando?


Vijay is the bomb for tuning and setting up meth or water injection.

and when you come out with a kit, i would be happy to test :)

[0x15e]

Has this gone anywhere? It seems like a really interesting idea.

[Broken]

www.snowperformance.net (http://www.snowperformance.net)

they make kits for all makes and models, and have a nice lil section on how-to on meth/water injection.

Im planning on getting the stage 2 VAF flow meter kit with the regulator solenoid. It works best up to 300bhp on 2.5 ngine or smallers, which makes it perfect for all mazda applications.

This is a very very old technology actually, it was used on the fighter planes of WW2 if I recolect correctly (p51's i think??). Like said before, it sprays a mist of water into the IM which drops temperatures in the chamber at least 30% (IIRC). I have a mag report somewhere in my house, Ill try and scan it later. Its fairly safe, as long as the nozzle and injetion is adecuate to the car's compression and ammount of boost your shooting. Some benefits include:

1. Cleaner combustion system
2. No need of ignition retardation, which in case eliminates the posibility of pre or later combustion, main cause of blown rods or pistons
3. Enviro friendly (lol)

[jlindberg8]

hey broken, here is another link for you to check out -- these kits are instant on/instant off without the extra dripping from the injectors...

http://www.coolingmist.com/

[Broken]

cool mate. Theres no drippin from the injector if you get the overflow solenoid, which is like uber important. I wouldnt get one of these kits witout the overflow or the boost solenoid (determines how much water to boost is needed)

[Broken]

ps those look fairly more sophisticated than the Snow performance's ones....and higly expensive too...

[jlindberg8]

I just thought I'd let you know there are more out there than just Snow Performance (even though SP had an article in one of the mags recently)...it's not always about who is the cheapest.....

[Broken]

i think SP is the best bang for the buck. Yeah, may not be as good quality as that cooling mist, and definetively seemsliek the later one is far better when tunning, but SP is pretty well proven too, Ive seen it work before.

Anywho good find mate. Thnx ill keep it bookmarked:yes:

[0x15e]

It looks like a relatively inexpensive mod with some real benefits but I wonder, where would it fit in this chart (http://www.streetunitforum.com/showthread.php?t=1055)?

What sort of supporting mods go with this? Just from a quick look, it seems like I'll need an intake / hard pipes at a bare minimum. How hard is it to get one of these tuned right?

I'm nowhere near doing this now, but I'd like to get as informed as possible so I can hit the ground running once my warranty is up.

[Broken]

you are looking at a lot of tunning. Honestly, unless your very well knowledgeable on the water injection field, I would say this is not for sunday warriors. The kit DOES come, however, with instalation intructions, and installing it really takes about 2 or 3 hours between two people. The tunning, however, is something else. It all goes to the cubic inches of air your pushing in your turbo, plus the amount of fuel being injected (air/fuel ratio), and depending on this you install the adecuate nozzle.

There is a guideline/chart for injection cc's depending on the psi of turbo. However, this is not necesarily true always, because not all turbos flow the same, not all cars feed the same ammount of gas, and not all cars have the same compretion ratio. I will look it over, but I think I saw the correct equation to water injection - a/f ratio somewhere. :)

[jlindberg8]

If/when you install this, let me know how it works out.

[Broken]

when...;) I will cedrtainly post a how-to and all tech info I get from the instal.