Crate engine?

[Kyelek]

I've been thinking about getting a new engine/trans from SU for awhile now (still haven't started saving). I once called them about it but wasn't very encouraged, whoever i talked too claimed the 4cyl only get 90hp stock. Anyway does anyone think it would actually be worth the time/effort/money? Also would anyone be interested in the same setup (ecu, fmic, turbo, forged internals/block, etc.) (possibly group buy style)?

[bigj884]

what kind of car and engine are you talking about?

[Broken]

I would think he has a MX6 since he posted in this section... and the OP, you sir, are trippin...

Second gen MX6 4 banger did come with about a whopping 90-110 bhp to the tire. Sorry if that aint daisy, but thats the sad realization of the truth. You can boost those engines and get quite a decent potential, but if you ask me, KLZE witha few bolt ons will give you more than the power you need. And you wont have the need for all that nonsense you were mentioning of forged internals, turbo, yada yada yada...

As for a first gen MX6, N/A has about the same bhp as the above, perhaps a bit more (I think it reigns onthe 130's??). The turbo version comes with 150 bhp 165ish torque. Just chip the ecu, upgrade gaskets, exhaust and air filter (stock intake is true CAI) and you should be pushign good numbers. If you want to go wild, t3, FMIC, piping, injectors, etc etc etc.

Last, theres 4 members here with MX6's. You, fresh, me and some dude that never gets on. No group buy here.

Any other concerns, feel free to contact me:)

[Kyelek]

Well, I don't know about the BHP rating your looking at but everything ive seen for the 2g I4 says 140hp. But that aside, I mean the 03-03.5 protege engine which is nearly identical and boasted 170 stock. Which I want because the forged internals will give a nice solid bottom end turbocharged sexiness and some nice power overall. As for group buy possibilities the protege guys can of course get in on this and I can repost to MX-6.com

Edit:
BHP horsepower is different from wheel HP. Since manufacturers use crank ratings than whp would most likely be 110-120 with the 5 speed and 140 crank rating.

[Broken]

No, theres no difference between bbhp and crank hp. They are both meassures of force of the engine, which stand for the force (torque) times the acceleration. The different numbers are because there is a loss of power between the tranny and the crank, which tends to be close to 15-30%

To be fair...

140bhp (crank) x 20% power train loss = 110 bhp. Exactly what I said.

The protege engine and the MX6 engine are NOTHING alike also. K series engine ( KF (4cyl), KL, K8DE, KLZE) and the FS series for the Mazda Protege/Familia, Protege5 and Protege3, and the FS-ZE for the Mazdaspeed protege, are very different engines, with very different stroke ratios, and very different bellhousings. Could you fit one of these engines in the MX6? Sure, but why bother, when the KLZE is a more direct fit without all the hassle. The FS series is more liek the FE and the F series engine from the 1st gen MX6.

No, group buys wont work on MX6.com. I suggest you do some searchign and reading onthe website to see how often they fail. The MX6 is not a very common community to express a market. Maybe for body styles, higly doubt for engines and stuff. AND EVEN THEN, most MX6 owners go for a KLze anyday, or boost their 4cyls.

Sorry to say, but thats how the cookie crumbles. Make sure to visit mx6.com and read a bit. Lots of usefull info in there.

[KissMyGrassFL.com]

THnaks you got Broken on a rant

[Broken]

My knowledge was insulted for a sec there...I felt hurt;)

[KissMyGrassFL.com]

Josh ur knowledge is always needed. I beat the crap out of a MX6 lastnight

[Broken]

^^Was it fresh by any chance??:laugh3:

[KissMyGrassFL.com]

n o

[bluestreak6]

[quote=The Broken;97372]No, theres no difference between bbhp and crank hp. They are both meassures of force of the engine, which stand for the force (torque) times the acceleration. The different numbers are because there is a loss of power between the tranny and the crank, which tends to be close to 15-30%

To be fair...

140bhp (crank) x 20% power train loss = 110 bhp. Exactly what I said.

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small flaw here. that should be 110whp

[Freshrubber]

it coulda been my car wasnt moving i just put on the new slave cyl tonight and my car works again

[Broken]

small flaw here. that should be 110whp


bhp, whp. These are the same, because both of those are meassured outside the crank. Theres no real loss of power from the brake caliper to the tire now. The brake is a non moving part compared to the tire, hence it requires no force (it should correctly say brake rotor hp, but meh). It really is more of a where your standing thing, in UK they say BHP, in the USA its WHP.

Unless your just trying to mess with me?