Mazda6i Turbo???

[2k8mazda6]

Ok. Bluestreak sent me a link to this website.(http://hiboost.com/KITMAZDA6.htm) okWell. Here's my question. On there it says forged internals for upgrade...and other stuff. It says that it runs 8psi. So will the stock 6i motor run up to 8psi? Or if i got this and bolted it on would it go boom?? dont be mean be serious cause this is 4grand plus install were talking(so i can be beating the spd3/6's haha)

[Colonel Speed]

8psi will more than likely kill stock internals... Sorry Dick

[2k8mazda6]

do you think it would hold any boost? cause the spd6 runs what 16-18 factory? that has forged internals. SO. by due process..this makes sense. 8psi aint that much ya know

[Colonel Speed]

I'de say 5psi safley everyday, maybey...

[Ektor]

(so i can be beating the spd3/6's haha)

I dont know about that part with an 8psi 6i lol... jk

Anyways, boosting a car is a LOT more than slapping some parts together and make it work. You can ask Jake which started of like you and has dumped over $15,000 in his build. If you have the money, the time and the downtime available for every time the car is down, then go for it. Most of the time it is just better to trade in your car for a factory boosted car. It will save you a lot of hazzle.

To answer your question, from what I read in that page, the kit comes ready for you to bolt on and run on stock internals with the included injectors, runnin 8psi. Now they also have forged internals available for the car just in case you wanna go bigger.

[jroc]

i would wait for either business and/or bluestreak to chime in on this one...i have my own opinions on this that may/ may not agree with them.

[Ektor]

I think the car will run fine under 8psi. But knowing the driving habits of 2k8 and blue, that engine wont last long with stock internals runnin 8psi haha.

[Colonel Speed]

^ Thats why I said no... I took that into affect.

[2k8mazda6]

dammit..knowing us personally really doesnt help this convo lol..it wont be soon but prolly by end of 09 but maybe midd 09..so just wanted to get this out of the way

[Colonel Speed]

I'm sure there will be someone else do it sooner.

[2k8mazda6]

well blue said some guy in cali i think did it..but idk the details. but i've got time so anything could happen

[zoom zoom maz6]

8psi is nothing thats going to kill it with proper tuning. I didnt read one post that had anything to do with COMPRESSION which is very important component as well as fueling and timing.

running 10:1 compression + 8PSI and you will be putting down some close stock trim MS3/MS6 WHP(~235ish) assuming you can get the fueling and timing down.

turbo manifold (probably 8:1) + FP+ FMU+ T25(maybe T28) and a decent FMIC and you should be safe to run 8psi.

jake spent 15k and put out serious HP. this isnt what it seems he is looking for. Sniper tuning should be able to fine tune it on the dyno and make the most HP as possible.

I would add a wideband as well to w/e you opt to do.

realisticly I would be worried about the tuning more than anything. as with enough fuel being pumped you can theorticly run as much air as you want. this is the way the old school DSMs did it. now a days with OBD2 controllers you will be more likely to throw codes, but thats just another component of tuning.

[cephus]

hate to jump in on this but zoom has a good point i went to the mazda dealer the other day and the 2.0L has the same compression as the speed3 i found that interesting

[Broken]

The problem is nto the compression....to an extent. Its the tunning like Rob said. You can push *hypothetically* 8-10 psi on the stock engine of a 6i, 3s or 3i any day. The problem there lies in the tunning.

I know kids with the n/a mx6 and stock internals that boosted al the way up tp 12psi on a 9:1 compression. Good tune, good racing.

[zoom zoom maz6]

The problem is nto the compression....to an extent. Its the tunning like Rob said. You can push *hypothetically* 8-10 psi on the stock engine of a 6i, 3s or 3i any day. The problem there lies in the tunning.

I know kids with the n/a mx6 and stock internals that boosted al the way up tp 12psi on a 9:1 compression. Good tune, good racing.

word. dodge neons, DSMs, 240s, and much more can do it no problem.

I wont get into how "ghetto" some will do it as far as tuning goes. with enough fuel, you can run plenty of extra air.

I would think with a FMU and a good WG set at 8PSI he should be safe short of the OBD2 system being a total ***** and 1/2

[Ektor]

Who cares about CELs :D

Get a maf translator and you are golden ;)

[zoom zoom maz6]

not exactly. actually that isnt even close to correct.

CELs on an OBD2 system could result in the engine leaning out the fuel curve if you are too rich and dump tons of fuel when it is in boost and reading horrid AFRs.

using a SAFC to "lie" to your ECU stops CELs which also STOPS fail safes that could prevent your motor from blowing in the first place. there is no replacement for a proper tune.

Im not going to even get into how easy limp mode is.......

btw a SAFC is good for +- 15% of the power band on average.... throwing 8PSI is good for way more than 15% over stock trim.

IMHO a SAFC is a suplement to a proper tune for getting every last ounce of HP out of a car, and NOT a replacement.

Ps u would really need to tune it anyway, just to make it idle properly with the extra fuel(less you ran an FMU as apposed to the larger injector plan of action).... playing with the drive by wire system might be interesting too. however, it isnt anything I have toyed with.

[2k8mazda6]

im a little confused(cel..obd2..safc and afr's)

[zoom zoom maz6]

lol there is a thread on acronyms.

PS if you dont know what those are you are already over your head.

[bluestreak6]

OMFREAKING how did i miss this? ok that kit WILL work with stock internals at 8psi EVERYDAY. it's designed specifically for that. btw that turbo is actually a little bigger than the K04s that the MS3/6 has so 8psi is actually equal to their 17psi. Not to mention we're at 9.7:1 compression ratio compared to their 9.5:1. The thing that makes the huge difference though is that their head is DISI while ours is MPFI which allows for higher boost on their parts. SO as I've also stated many of times, join 6club and stop askin ppl who don't own 6s here.

[bluestreak6]

Oh 1 more thing, y build a turbo kit if u can't use it? it'll stand up to me or Business' driving w/ no problem. as for this crappy @s$ thing that Mazda calls a tranny that we have........ um THATS where our problems begin considering we have ppl blowing them up under NORMAL driving conditions and their 6s are/were still COMPLETELY STOCK

[bluestreak6]

I think the car will run fine under 8psi. But knowing the driving habits of 2k8 and blue, that engine wont last long with stock internals runnin 8psi haha.
"Mazda is the most road raced vehicle every wknd"
too bad they advertising sumthing their vehicles can't handle

[2k8mazda6]

thank you blue!

[EuroTuneR]

DO NO BUY FROM HIBOOST!

[Broken]

PS if you dont know what those are you are already over your head.

x1234567890

OMFREAKING how did i miss this? ok that kit WILL work with stock internals at 8psi EVERYDAY. it's designed specifically for that. btw that turbo is actually a little bigger than the K04s that the MS3/6 has so 8psi is actually equal to their 17psi. Not to mention we're at 9.7:1 compression ratio compared to their 9.5:1. The thing that makes the huge difference though is that their head is DISI while ours is MPFI which allows for higher boost on their parts. SO as I've also stated many of times, join 6club and stop askin ppl who don't own 6s here.

Nobody said the kit wont work. All we said is that proper tunning is required to run safely without going boom. And 8psi on a 9.7:1 def not equals 17psi on 9.5:1. More like 12psi. (I know Ive seen that formula before...will find) Its not the compression ratio that creates the psi. Its the flow (CFMs) of the turbo. You still flowing/charging the same ammount of air, your just compressing it more.

You prolly know this, but 1 atm (atmosphere) = 16psi. Means that for every 16psi you are boosting one barometric unit of air (i.e 16psi is the air we breath at ground preasure) to your engine (the engine already "breaths" at barometric pressure, 1 atm). 8psi = .5 atm, at a 9.7:1 compresion ratio.

And me and Rob might not own 6i's, but we surelly know our ways around turbos kid.;)


Oh 1 more thing, y build a turbo kit if u can't use it? it'll stand up to me or Business' driving w/ no problem. as for this crappy @s$ thing that Mazda calls a tranny that we have........ um THATS where our problems begin considering we have ppl blowing them up under NORMAL driving conditions and their 6s are/were still COMPLETELY STOCK

All cars have recalls or defaults. Or what, you think Supras and STis dont break when power is added? Sadly, Mazda may have deviated from its performance roots and oriented itself towards a more economical market.

Furthermore, I still know a guy around pushing almost 500wh on his STOCK tranny. I havent heard any boom stories from him (maybe one, he did blow his differential, did he?)

"Mazda is the most road raced vehicle every wknd"
too bad they advertising sumthing their vehicles can't handle

Oh, Im sure the Miata and RX8 guys wont appreciate that comment. It all goes hand by hand blue, if you want to race your car, you have to prepare it for so. You cant just slap a turbo and an exhaust (or remove it), a few springs and call it a day (while still rocking stock wheels, shocks, rubber bushings, and no chasis upgrades/reinforcements). Why you think Im building what Im building? Save the hatch, thats why. Still, Im sure a mazda3, 6, or 5 (ok, maybe not the 5), has more chances than surviving, right out of the dealer, an average race course than most of the vehicles in the market (in their categories. Dont throw an Evo or STi inthe comparison).

One thing is racing. The other is abusing. You have to expect a lot of different things from each.

[Broken]

Damn I really did not wanted to write that long of a response...

[Colonel Speed]

:clap: ^^^ It was very informational

[bluestreak6]

Just a few notes. I wasn't refering to the compression ratio when i compared the psi differences, 1 bar= 14.7psi not 16psi, Supras do NOT break trannies when power is added (maybe clutches and everything else but Getrag is a bulletproof tranny company), and Eurotuner fyi HiBoost is THE ONLY COMPANY that has a successful turbo kit running for the 6i that we know of. There's a guy that's been trying to get the "right" tune from sum other dummies he bought his kit from for the past 2 yrs, HiBoost works right out the box (comes w/ a pretuned ecu) though a little tweaking is still recommended

[bluestreak6]

Oh yea Josh that actually was pretty informative other that the 1 thing I mentioned :D smart kid i must say

[Broken]

Just a few notes. I wasn't refering to the compression ratio when i compared the psi differences, 1 bar= 14.7psi not 16psi, Supras do NOT break trannies when power is added (maybe clutches and everything else but Getrag is a bulletproof tranny company), and Eurotuner fyi HiBoost is THE ONLY COMPANY that has a successful turbo kit running for the 6i that we know of. There's a guy that's been trying to get the "right" tune from sum other dummies he bought his kit from for the past 2 yrs, HiBoost works right out the box (comes w/ a pretuned ecu) though a little tweaking is still recommended

You are correct in the psi to atm conversion. I was just rounding it I guess.

All cars break parts, no matter who they are, and what they do. All of them break parts. Each car is built to withstand certain levels, and once you pass that level, you will strain the car to its maximun and break it. Stop bs'ing yourself in saying they dont. The only way to not breaking a car is to upgrade all its parts accordingly to the power your outputing.

I dont know anything about HiBoost, nor its product. All I know is what Jake is doing and how he's doing it. No matter the kit, however, tunning is needed. You just cant run a car without it if your going to be boosting. You can, but your bound to blow the [fizzle] out of your engine.

Oh yea Josh that actually was pretty informative other that the 1 thing I mentioned :D smart kid i must say

i never said I was informative nor smart. I was stating my opinion on the suject. That was 2k8 opinion. I've only been here to help, from day one.

[bluestreak6]

:clap: ^^^ It was very informational
i was agreeing w/ this fellow when i mentioned you being informative on the turbo facts. wasnt trying to come off mean or as an ahole this time. i did mention that other cars break but the weak point in the 6i is the tranny more than anything.

[Broken]

If you knew Mazda history, you would know that, unless you have the 8 bolt tranny made in Aussy and Japan (for rotaries like the Spirit 7 and the rare but beautifull Eunos), Mazda trannies are made out of chicken poop and Ramen Noodles. ;)

I myself went through 2 of them and 1 clutch set in less than a year, boostin 14psi and pushing merely 180whp/210 lbs-trq. And copious ammounts of CVs

[bluestreak6]

okay i'm leaving now........LMAO that's gonna go great w/ the thread i have n mind

[zoom zoom maz6]

wow........ this turned ugly quick

[StreetUnitMark]

ill sell you my stock manifold and turbo for a good price

[Business]

The 6i has the strongest engine that is in a 6, be it the i/s/speed, in my opinion. Compression isn't low enough on the speed for getting reliable power in addition to being matched with such a piece of ****ing **** turbo and the v6 is much more hit or miss than the 6i from what I've seen, though a number of 6s guys are running down speed6's these days which is pretty impressive without tuning.

The 6i can handle a lot of abuse and a lot of power. The transmission, however, is the weakest point. Drive smart and a turbo 6i will last a long time.

But seriously, turbos sound all fantastic and great but you absolutely have to read up on them and the work involved. The more knowledge you have about what is needed to get off the ground with a kit and what is needed to properly maintain it, the better off you are. Give yourself time to learn and if you can, go hang out with some people with turbos, open the hood, inspect and learn.

No reason to rush into it as the earliest you'll get a kit from hiboost is 3-4 months, hah.

[2k8mazda6]

business youre alive!!! lol..im not over my head just acronyms throw me off. if i've never heard of them before. thanks for the input guys

[Business]

yeah, i'm alive. not really much for me to chime in with on these boards, haha.

[2k8mazda6]

sure there is. we can always use another opinion. were ya been hiding..oh **** thread jack lol

[Business]

how can you threadjack your own thread?

anyways, another opinion is just another opinion, no big deal. but we all know this isn't the most active place to discuss the 6 ;D

[2k8mazda6]

yeah yeah..considering theres what 4 of us?

[Ektor]

If there is somebody that can talk about big builds is Jake. He spoke about it and he just came from the dyno a few hours ago and all i can say is OMG!. I am going to reserve the hp number for him to disclose it. But its a pretty bad ass number.

To my point: with all Jake's experience, knowledge and pedigree, he is the first one that says do NOT buy from HiBoost or TBK. Send him a PM and he will give you at least 15 good reasons.

[2k8mazda6]

haha lol. he knows this from exp. i know i had a long talk with him one day.(the day tyler wrecked his car) so i know...im sure he dropped over 400

[bluestreak6]

Just b/c Jake has reasons not to buy from HiBoost doesn't mean it's a bad kit. It's the only kit that works in 6i land that we 6i ppl know of, that's my point. Actually Jake is WAY over the HiBoost talk, with what he's doing there's no such thing as a "kit", its all custom. A "kit" is to get you started or just to get your foot in the door for something. just my opinion

[szweedie103]

save your time, energy and money and just get a factory boosted car and call it a day. :D

[Business]

That's not the point of modding and a shallow suggestion, even in jest.

[bluestreak6]

http://s96.photobucket.com/albums/l190/M6MrTea/?action=view&current=LagunaSecaFriday.flv
Powerd by HiBoost, if ya want more info on y he's driving like a pansy i'll give the link to the thread, he has a legitimate reason.

[zoom zoom maz6]

If there is somebody that can talk about big builds is Jake. He spoke about it and he just came from the dyno a few hours ago and all i can say is OMG!. I am going to reserve the hp number for him to disclose it. But its a pretty bad ass number.

To my point: with all Jake's experience, knowledge and pedigree, he is the first one that says do NOT buy from HiBoost or TBK. Send him a PM and he will give you at least 15 good reasons.

there is a difference between building a drag monster and having a quick daily beater. kits dont offer much to those who desire a ton of HP, but for a basic setup with an ability to upgrade in the future, a kit is a good option. This also gets your foot in the door and then makes future growth piece by piece much easier.

case in point a Nitrous kit is good for starters, but those who want all they can get piece their setups together and build it on their own.

[zoom zoom maz6]

yeah yeah..considering theres what 4 of us?

there are more than 4 mazda6 owners on here........

[2k8mazda6]

i meant 6i's i know there are a few 6s's

[The Great NY]

I love my non factory boosted car. That is all...lol.