6i dyno before/after, dragstrip action

[Business]

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SAE and Standard correction, so take whatever you want.

Baseline was done with the airbox mod and advanced timing. Current engine mods: AEM SRI, optimized TB, grounded TB, Steed TB spacer, advanced timing, NGK IX plugs, F2 header, magnaflow high flow cat, vibrant resonator, single dynomax muffler, all 2.5"

Enjoy.

[2k8mazda6]

i did :)

[zoom zoom maz6]

god those things put out so little :(

then again I doubt Im putting out much more

[bluestreak6]

......... $2k later..... I STILL HAVE MORE POWER THAN U!!!!! lol im now anxious to start dumping money into my car but at the same time i feel my hatred for her seeping thru again... guess we'll have 2 wait and c wut happens

[zoom zoom maz6]

sounds like you are ready to break something again.

[Business]

god those things put out so little :(

then again I doubt Im putting out much more

You should go to the track sometime then!

......... $2k later..... I STILL HAVE MORE POWER THAN U!!!!! lol im now anxious to start dumping money into my car but at the same time i feel my hatred for her seeping thru again... guess we'll have 2 wait and c wut happens

Well yeah, less drivetrain loss and more torque from 60% of your exhaust being removed, lol. I don't think anyone would be surprised by that. If I did the same thing with my exhaust that you did with yours, I'd probably shatter glass a mile away with how loud it would be, but i'd certainly create a bit more power.

And the cost for these parts is about $1200. But the various configurations and experiments were a bit more.

[bluestreak6]

And the cost for these parts is about $1200. But the various configurations and experiments were a bit more.
that's wut i wuz really refering to. BUT in the end u've given a crap load of info that many will follow. so +17whp and 5lbs ft. tq from base..... i have a crap load of work to do b4 i can dyno my car again, i just gotta stay ahead :p

[KissMyGrassFL.com]

Nice

[bluestreak6]

yo Jizzy i got sum info 2 share that may help. tell ya l8r though. ha ha ha oh dont we like 2 take **** apart and experiment

[Business]

tell me now: i just got into the hotel in independence, missouri. 680 mile drive today, ugh

[bluestreak6]

okay......... put ur stock tb back on w/ the spacer and let me know if u feel a difference. u've opened up ur intake and exhaust but i'm having the impression that its way too much for wuts done 2 ur car

[Business]

if anything, and I've contemplated this before, I'd reduce the exhaust size to 2.25" or even 2". doing 2.5 was, honestly, a shortsighted mistake.

My stock TB is back in west palm and currently I'm 1,400 miles into my 2,500 mile trip, residing in Independence, MO for the evening and tomorrow I tackle round three of four as I head another 650 miles to Cheyenne.

[2k8mazda6]

why am i the stockest and the most powered? lol 147hp/144tq...so

[bluestreak6]

Devin stfu about how slow ur overpowerd car is

[MS3Casey]

haha mike noris motor sports, i know him lol

[2k8mazda6]

Devin stfu about how slow ur overpowerd car is


lmao...getting the header and an intake over christmas should run it soon..when you get back if after the holidays we'll go to the track

[bluestreak6]

We supposed 2 BEEN raced but w/e. Just lmk and if i'm not busy i'll be down there. Claiming to already have more power than me yet you need more in order to race

[2k8mazda6]

not true. just saying what should be done by the new year...i mean i can always post pone install?

[Business]

why am i the stockest and the most powered? lol 147hp/144tq...so

Your dyno means nothing compared to my dyno and vice versa. You can't compare dynos in any way, shape, or form. Oh, and come out here to Salt Lake...I guarantee you wouldn't make more than 120whp on any dyno. Elevation ****ing sucks.

And I'm sure you and Louis have raced each other? What was the outcome there?

[2k8mazda6]

we havent yet...that's the thing. he's got all those little things done like the tb bypass...but i dont...so idk man it would be a good race

[Business]

If you're stock then it's even better to race against him. A baseline is important, afterall.

Also, the TB Bypass isn't going to make a difference power wise.

[bluestreak6]

Actually Jizzy we dynoed the same day, at the same place, around the same time so we can actually compare ours against each other :p. BUT I think it'll be a driver's race to be honest....... *snickers and proceed to walk away*

[Business]

lol, but dynos don't mean crap in the real world.

You and I both know that his car wouldn't give you a run for your money like mine did 8D

[2k8mazda6]

what the hell does that mean??? We're using our cars as baselines doin similar things and seeing where it goes. But it will be a drivers race plain and simple. If i do what uve done to my car id make prolly 170

[Business]

lol, no, you wouldn't. It isn't that simple at all.

Dynos are only dynos. They can't mean anything once you get your car off the rollers because they're not a road, they are synthetic benchmarks. They are a tool to analyze and troubleshoot (or before & after results) but are seemingly only used for bragging rights. Take them at face value and nothing more.

You should try getting to a track sometime as well for something that can actually be compared.

[2k8mazda6]

that's what we're working on..and dyno's the couple of dyno's i have to choose from a pretty dam accurate..the only real reason ppl dyno is to brag oh i got this hp ....or to drag race at the track..if i were to do what uve done id have the most hp'd 6i on the road. that i know of. my car is a freak of nature. idk why but once im done everyone will fear 6i's(lol)

[bluestreak6]

Dude you are delirious. Go to the Orlando Friday and Saturday night meets and ask around about a Zoom (or the blk guy w/ the loud ass 6). If you haven't noticed the 6i and MS6 are the only 2 6s that get rep for anything with none of that contribution coming from you. Take your car to the track, run your mid to high 16s, possibly even low 17s, then when you finally break 15s lmk. You sir are a track virgin and I highly advise you break yourself in before my next visit to Florida b/c we're racing even if I have to pay your way in.

[2k8mazda6]

youre an ass...jk jk..but yeah i plan to one of these days but hell im working 50-60 hour weeks..tryin to make some cash..But yeah i know my first run will suck..first prolly 10...but hoping for a low 16 first couple and then the mid 15's maybe just pull a 14 out of my ass. I gotta take out some shat from my car you kjnow the usual bs I'll go when youre in town if i am..i gotta go to tn for christmas...20th or 21st til the 28th i think

[Business]

that's what we're working on..and dyno's the couple of dyno's i have to choose from a pretty dam accurate..the only real reason ppl dyno is to brag oh i got this hp ....or to drag race at the track..if i were to do what uve done id have the most hp'd 6i on the road. that i know of. my car is a freak of nature. idk why but once im done everyone will fear 6i's(lol)

A dyno's accuracy doesn't mean anything beyond the printout your given. I dynoed to see my AFR and see what changes my mods would make. I don't have a GT82 turbo powered super mega Skyline or some ****. Who cares? If anyone is dynoing to brag about numbers, they're a douche. There is more to the story than just the peak hp.

A dyno can say anything it wants about the power you're making but the only true measure of a car's power, or lack thereof, is at the dragstrip.

youre an ass...jk jk..but yeah i plan to one of these days but hell im working 50-60 hour weeks..tryin to make some cash..But yeah i know my first run will suck..first prolly 10...but hoping for a low 16 first couple and then the mid 15's maybe just pull a 14 out of my ass. I gotta take out some shat from my car you kjnow the usual bs I'll go when youre in town if i am..i gotta go to tn for christmas...20th or 21st til the 28th i think

14s? Maybe if you're pulling it out of someone else's ass or driving their car. You're not getting to the 14s nor the mid 15s.

A 16.1 is the best a stock 6i mtx has done. Freak of nature or not, that power doesn't mean **** if you can't drive or if you f-up the launch. Btw, those MS6 wheels will add .1 or .2 tenths to your time. Big heavy wheels ftl.

[2k8mazda6]

better tires and better traction ftw tho..lol. yea i agree about what you said about the dyno thing..but i know those dueches and im sure you know a few too...i think 15's are possible...i just have to learn to launch betterbut by the beginning of the year i'll be putting upu some numbers(i hope)

[bluestreak6]

*passes thru room whistling*

[cephus]

hey dick ill run you see how that works out lol. should be fun

[bluestreak6]

Yea do that b/c I wanna see your slips too mister!

[Business]

better tires and better traction ftw tho..lol. yea i agree about what you said about the dyno thing..but i know those dueches and im sure you know a few too...i think 15's are possible...i just have to learn to launch betterbut by the beginning of the year i'll be putting upu some numbers(i hope)

15's possible but the humidity in Florida robs most of those chances away until you get some mods on. I would've been in the 15s long ago if it wasn't so damn humid down there.

Now at this altitude I'm running 17s. Sweet. :sleeping:

[Rainmens]

Just had to jump on here and throw in my 02. (Matt gave me the heads up)


2k8mazda6- I would LOVE to see you get to 170whp NA, that would be a great thing for the 6i community, but unless your pockets run deep its not happenning easy unless you go Boost. Unfortnatelly i never got a baseline done, but most will agree a MTX 6i in my area dyno's around 130... 157 is the highest i ever hit and that was with CAI, header, exhaust, BSD, opt/bored TB, Fidanza F.W, VTCS delete, and advanced timing mod as far as power adders go.

Now unless you plan on doing all that AND getting the Cossie intake manifold and some sort of tuning, plain and simple your not getting to that mark. Plan on spending around $2500 just for parts, not sure if you install yourself, but thats obviously more $, oh and then throw in tuning fees.

As far as you getting into 15's...that shouldnt be to hard if bluestreak has already done it multiple times. Just gut your car, haha. But seriously, lightweight wheels, sticky tires, AWR mounts, etc, will all help out alot.

At this point im tired of the NA route, and have the hiboost kit sitting on my garage floor. Sigh....

[2k8mazda6]

haha nice to finally meet you. louis brought you up before i beleive. thanks for the 02..I can do most installs myself a few things i might get done. i know my mark is possible just need about 4-5k i made 147 stock. Idk how neither does louis. But if anything..i hope f2 goes ahead and makes the supercharger...cause that's what i want in the end. I want work emotions for the car after everything...send me a pm of your parts list if possible. cause id like to look it up and compair to mine thanks man

[bluestreak6]

DAMN IT YOU MADE 140/140 THEN OPENED YOUR AIRBOX AND RELOCATED THE FAN SO THAT AIR BLEW INTO YOUR AIRBOX WHICH GAVE YOU THE 140 WHATEVER THE **** YOU'RE CLAIMING!!!!!!!!!!! Ok I'm done talkn about numbers. I will not respond to any more remarks about power alone. Get me a timeslip and then we'll talk. Until then Devin you can just stfu about car. End of discussion.

[bluestreak6]

Oh yea..... HEY RAIN!!!!!!! lol

[mach1steve]

haha nice to finally meet you. louis brought you up before i beleive. thanks for the 02..I can do most installs myself a few things i might get done. i know my mark is possible just need about 4-5k i made 147 stock. Idk how neither does louis. But if anything..i hope f2 goes ahead and makes the supercharger...cause that's what i want in the end. I want work emotions for the car after everything...send me a pm of your parts list if possible. cause id like to look it up and compair to mine thanks man

dude, i'm sorry, but i've been reading this thread and i have to say...

YOU'RE DELUSIONAL...

you obviously don't realize that just throwin parts at a car will not make it fast...

i fear for what will become of your car...




as for Business, how's your car been? i haven't talked to you since the I-Drive Sonic meets... done anything to your car since the videos?

[bluestreak6]

He changed mufflers again. Gots a CPE iirc... I'll get ya a link

[bluestreak6]

http://www.6crew.com/index.php?option=com_fireboard&Itemid=56&func=view&catid=15&id=4911
It's in there somewhere

[mach1steve]

his car definitely sounds better with the MS6 muff...

[Rainmens]

Heres some good info... (Stage I, II, III threads).

http://6crew.com/index.php?option=com_fireboard&Itemid=56&func=showcat&catid=15

Whats up Louis! Or Luis? Sry...

[bluestreak6]

You had it right the 1st try :D

[2k8mazda6]

louis...the fan didnt get moved..i have the vids to prove it..secondly guy there told me its like having a short ram..so therefore if i buy one i'll make that 147 again..maybe even a couple more like 150..just cause of piping and shii..i like having matts car as a base to know what it will be like in some way...also im not delusional. i know what im wanting is possible with simple bolt ons. its all about getting the right set up plain and simple. im not a tuner by any means but the ppl i hang out with are. and they help me out alot. like louis said no point in talking about numbers...

[mach1steve]

louis...the fan didnt get moved..i have the vids to prove it..secondly guy there told me its like having a short ram..so therefore if i buy one i'll make that 147 again..maybe even a couple more like 150..just cause of piping and shii..i like having matts car as a base to know what it will be like in some way...also im not delusional. i know what im wanting is possible with simple bolt ons. its all about getting the right set up plain and simple. im not a tuner by any means but the ppl i hang out with are. and they help me out alot. like louis said no point in talking about numbers...

and what bolt-ons might these be? cams, port/polished head & cosworth manifold? yeah, those have bolts, but they sure don't count as simple bolt-ons... and they'll definitely be necessary for any serious power gains...

[bluestreak6]

Well as soon as YOU find a tuning solution how about you let the rest of the 6i ppl know b/c we're in desparate need of 1. :D

[mach1steve]

Well as soon as YOU find a tuning solution how about you let the rest of the 6i ppl know b/c we're in desparate need of 1. :D

actually blue, i like your solution of doing a lot of DIY ****, most people that think of DIY stuff get put down...

i'd love to see someone pick up someone's stock mani/heads and do their own port job... yeah, you wouldn't wanna half-ass it, but you could definitely have some **** on your hands if you made good stuff...

also, look into what other cars may have your parts in them... (i.e. the RX-8, Honda S2K, and Kia Sportage all have the same diffs)

[bluestreak6]

Oh may I just throw it out there that you'd have to have custom cut cams. The cosworths don't work on our vehicle..... or so they say (stupid Mazda vvt)

[mach1steve]

Oh may I just throw it out there that you'd have to have custom cut cams. The cosworths don't work on our vehicle..... or so they say (stupid Mazda vvt)

why don't they work? and is there no way to disable the VVT? you'd lose mileage, but if you're runnin cams, gas ain't a worry of your's

[Rainmens]

Well as soon as YOU find a tuning solution how about you let the rest of the 6i ppl know b/c we're in desparate need of 1. :D


I know your well-aware that we having a few tuning solutions to choose from...

Microtech
Haltech
Split Second

And you could always go the SAFC route as well...

[Rainmens]

actually blue, i like your solution of doing a lot of DIY ****, most people that think of DIY stuff get put down...

i'd love to see someone pick up someone's stock mani/heads and do their own port job... yeah, you wouldn't wanna half-ass it, but you could definitely have some **** on your hands if you made good stuff...

also, look into what other cars may have your parts in them... (i.e. the RX-8, Honda S2K, and Kia Sportage all have the same diffs)


I have a cylinder head chillin in my garage.. havent decided if thats gettin PnP'ed just yet.

The Focus is the car mirrored after ours, well actually vice versa. But not to match is a direct match unless your pretty good at custom work.

[mach1steve]

I know your well-aware that we having a few tuning solutions to choose from...

Microtech
Haltech
Split Second

And you could always go the SAFC route as well...

ok, you make a good point, blue, what are you waiting for, have these people tune for your (lack of) exhaust and whatever else you've done to your 6

though, in my opinion, the SAFC has always seemed more like a band aid on a wound rather than the required stitches... if that makes any sense...

[mach1steve]

I have a cylinder head chillin in my garage.. havent decided if thats gettin PnP'ed just yet.

The Focus is the car mirrored after ours, well actually vice versa. But not to match is a direct match unless your pretty good at custom work.

there's gotta be more than that, i would think...

and i'm not talking about just engine, i'm talking about drivetrain, suspension, etc...

[Rainmens]

I dont think Blue needs a tune just yet. Im not sayin it wouldnt benefit him a little, but he should definatelly get some more airflow comin through before he drops $1400 on the Microtech, or $900 on the Haltech, or $500 on the SS.

I think some of our susp. parts are interchangeable with the MS6, at least thats what Matt told me a couple days ago. Think hes gettin some calipers/rotors.. I dont know, lol.

[mach1steve]

GOD DAMN!!!!

it's that much for yall to get tuned??? is that the whole damn tuner so you can DIY the tune? or is that just a tune?

[Rainmens]

Well thats just for the tuner (ECU) itself... throw another few hundred in there for the custom tune, unless of course your tuning it yourself.

[zoom zoom maz6]

wow lots blew up here. Some of the suspension on the MS6 is the same, but most of what I would think of moving are better off going aftermarket away.

blue i think Im going to try some MS6 stock springs on my 6 when my tokico shocks get here.(should be next mondayish)

btw, the only way for a NA 6 to hit 170 is boost? I is confused? that wouldnt make it NA anymore........

there is a dude locally who does ITBs, but I wouldnt even want to begin to think about doing that electronicly controlled TBs. I was curious, if the MZ6s tuning works with sniper(so blue tells), have you all though of using a MZ6S ECU on the 6i..... assuming they can play with the fuel tables, they maybe able to cut fuel(signal) from cyclindars 5/6(which yall would be lacking). Beyond that it is all about fuel tables and timing........ (either that or maybe Ive spent too much time with the old school nissan tuning guys and there is more too than I think) hell even a MS6 ECU with a CPE tune flash might be the way to go.......

as for Devins "pipe dreams".......... 14s on a stock everything..... yeah. btw Im sure you know those dyno numbers take into consideration your launch, track conditions, temp, WINDRESISTANCE, driving skills, AREO DYNAMICS, weight of the automobile, oil temp, and a million and one other things.

it gives you raw data of what power goes from the engine, to tranny, to wheels, and out........ thats it.

though Im told we are just supposed to hold hands and sing. So I wont tell you how stupid those statements are.......

[Rainmens]

btw, the only way for a NA 6 to hit 170 is boost? I is confused? that wouldnt make it NA anymore........


Pretty sure you got what i was saying... If not my bad, maybe i worded it wrong.




I was curious, if the MZ6s tuning works with sniper(so blue tells), have you all though of using a MZ6S ECU on the 6i..... assuming they can play with the fuel tables, they maybe able to cut fuel(signal) from cyclindars 5/6(which yall would be lacking). Beyond that it is all about fuel tables and timing........ hell even a MS6 ECU with a CPE tune flash might be the way to go.......


Sniper hasnt confirmed anything at this point, and by this point i mean close to a year now on the "new talks" of this happening. We have some 6s guys working with them, but there either not interested due to the small market or dont have the ability to pull it off... like they couldnt 4-5 years ago.

And even if the 6s/MS6 ECU could work on a 6i and Sniper came thru or we did the CPE flash, I think it would be pretty damn expensive and a headache.

[zoom zoom maz6]

Sniper hasnt confirmed anything at this point, and by this point i mean close to a year now on the "new talks" of this happening. We have some 6s guys working with them, but there either not interested due to the small market or dont have the ability to pull it off... like they couldnt 4-5 years ago.


so sniper is still fing around with the 6s guys? Ive given up and if and when I want to do some boost....... I will do my own EMS.


And even if the 6s/MS6 ECU could work on a 6i and Sniper came thru or we did the CPE flash, I think it would be pretty damn expensive and a headache.

last I checked engine management is not a place to skimp on.

as far as a headache...... I dont remember much mazda 6 stuff that isnt. the market is so "small"...... and a catch 22 as no one wants to even really try much as they know that EMS brick wall is ahead, because no one wants to go for it w.o some sort of EMS(and a SAFC is not EMS..... thats like calling octane booster, "race gas") and noone is wiling to build it...... till there is maket.

then again. I would be excited for a decent set of cams that arent thousands of dollars and over seas, or a set of headers for the 6s that are not a billion dollars for 15HP.......

[Rainmens]

so sniper is still fing around with the 6s guys? Ive given up and if and when I want to do some boost....... I will do my own EMS.


I think you guys will have to, lol. Im hoping Ricardo from F2 gives it a shot for you guys, but we'll see.



last I checked engine management is not a place to skimp on.


Sure isnt... thats why I listed the 3 tuners I did, all proven to work.


as far as a headache...... I dont remember much mazda 6 stuff that isnt.


The only headache ive experienced is with parts not being readily available when i had the cash... Cossie manifold, and Cams to be specific. The 6i has a pretty damn good aftermarket.

As far as getting one of those ECU's to work on the car, im sure someone can pull it off... but why? Just to say you did it? Just buy one that is proven for the car and call it a day.

[2k8mazda6]

couldnt agre with you more about the headers...but anywho..crazy things are possible at the track..never know but i know i can get into 15s...um as far as bolt ons go..steve they bolt on like you said :) lol jk jk..but in any case im ordering springs in like 6 hours

[bluestreak6]

I know your well-aware that we having a few tuning solutions to choose from...

Microtech (check)
Haltech (check)
Split Second (who the **** are these ppl?)

And you could always go the SAFC route as well... (had no clue)
lol maybe I should mentioned "cheap" tuning solution

[Rainmens]

lol maybe I should mentioned "cheap" tuning solution


You get what you pay for.

[Business]

as for Business, how's your car been? i haven't talked to you since the I-Drive Sonic meets... done anything to your car since the videos?

lol, hey!

Since the videos, no, aside from the CP-E Speed6 muffler. I've installed the AWR tranny mount, speed6 shocks, 55w 4300k HIDs, odyssey pc680 battery, magnaflow high flow cat, and vibrant resonator since the last time we met. Next on the list is the Balance Shaft Delete, spin on conversion, and cosworth oil cooler. For spring I'm thinking Speed6 rotors and pads from stoptech, not the oem ones. But we'll see.

btw, the only way for a NA 6 to hit 170 is boost? I is confused? that wouldnt make it NA anymore........

Nah, we can definitely hit 170 (and higher) but it all begins and ends with tuning. I'm pretty sure you can't get beyond a certain point with the stock ECU as it will read what is happening with the engine and try to "save" it by cutting power.

I think it is possible to hit 170 without pistons or custom cams but you need a solid, aggressive tune, and possibly one mapped out for 91-93 octane. 11:1 pistons and custom cams would be icing on the cake.


there is a dude locally who does ITBs, but I wouldnt even want to begin to think about doing that electronicly controlled TBs. I was curious, if the MZ6s tuning works with sniper(so blue tells), have you all though of using a MZ6S ECU on the 6i..... assuming they can play with the fuel tables, they maybe able to cut fuel(signal) from cyclindars 5/6(which yall would be lacking). Beyond that it is all about fuel tables and timing........ (either that or maybe Ive spent too much time with the old school nissan tuning guys and there is more too than I think) hell even a MS6 ECU with a CPE tune flash might be the way to go.......
.

A standalone would still be a better option. An MS6 ecu has more in common with the 6i than the 6s ecu though.

so sniper is still fing around with the 6s guys? Ive given up and if and

as far as a headache...... I dont remember much mazda 6 stuff that isnt. the market is so "small"...... and a catch 22 as no one wants to even really try much as they know that EMS brick wall is ahead, because no one wants to go for it w.o some sort of EMS

**** Sniper.

Well that is what I was going to mention to 2k8mazda6 was that bolt ons only get you so far...tuning is a requirement on these cars as well as most other new models. ECUs in cars today are incredibly complex.

[bluestreak6]

You get what you pay for.
Yea but something just to get us started would be great (flash), then something w/ tables for the rest of us that want more.

**** Sniper.
I want to put that in my sig but I think I'd get in trouble....... Oh what the hell, only 1 way to find out!

[Rainmens]

Yea but something just to get us started would be great (flash), then something w/ tables for the rest of us that want more.




Then just get SS for $300 or whatever from protegegarage.

[2k8mazda6]

lol about sniper...but yeah louis i dont think you'd get in trouble

[mach1steve]

say what you will about Sniper but i'm definitely happy i went with them over SCT...

SCT is over-priced for the same damn thing...

though i do have to admit that it's pretty ridiculous that they haven't figured your ECU out yet...

[Business]

I'm sure they do a good job with other cars but I can't help but feel like they shat on a lot of us. It's just disappointing when there is so much end-user interest in something like that and it still isn't enough to get a product out the door.

I have no idea if the Split Second tuner would be worth it, as it doesn't control timing. I'm thinking CP-E might win over the 6 crowd again with the standback. TGNY is apparently going to test it out for 03-05 6s' and a guy with another guy has it fully up and running on his 3s. Seems awfully compatible...

[zoom zoom maz6]

what good is it if it doesnt do timing? at that point isnt it just a fancy name for a SAFC?

probably similar to a VAFC

[Rainmens]

what good is it if it doesnt do timing? at that point isnt it just a fancy name for a SAFC?

probably similar to a VAFC
Exactly!!

Glorified SAFC... YUCK!

Although us 6i's can advance/retard timing up to 8*

[bluestreak6]

So uh.... Where are we going for lunch today fellas?

[bluestreak6]

http://siteground207.com/~protegeg/product_info.php?cPath=22_310_136&products_id=1501
Has this been tested yet?

[Business]

Can't advance timing so for the majority of us, it is rather pointless. The best gains for naturally aspirated tuning will be with the combination of fuel, ignition, and timing control.

[bluestreak6]

We're advanced 32 degrees from the factory. Not sure if I'd try pushing that anymore anyway.

[Rainmens]

We're advanced 32 degrees from the factory. Not sure if I'd try pushing that anymore anyway.

Egh?

[bluestreak6]

Ok so according to dashhawk I should say, we're advanced 32 degrees

[Business]

I've hit 59 degrees according to Scangauge and down to -11 as well. It fluctuates with every refresh. I'd be interested in seeing what dashhawk says about some certain things in my car.

[bluestreak6]

wtf???? Your car is weird

[Business]

It isn't just my car. No car I've put the scangauge on has had timing stay at a single value. I've put it on a stock 6i mtx and even he was able to get 40 degrees advanced.

[bluestreak6]

Is this during wot or deceleration?

[Business]

The highest I hit was 59º and that was acceleration in florida. Deceleration does let it float around 40-52º and lifting completely off the pedals often results in going to retarded timing up to -12º to positive 18º.

The videos I have of scangauge are interesting to watch

[bluestreak6]

Streaker gots info.................

[Business]

Being cryptic doesn't help anyone

[bluestreak6]

yea well i'd like to verify my info before posting :p

[2k8mazda6]

what a poopy head louis...um front springs still havent dropped ?-/

[Business]

Then don't post anything until said info has been verified! GEEZ!

[bluestreak6]

Anyone by any chance gots a flow bench that I could use????